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INTERVIEW WITH 3 CANADIAN CHORAL COMPOSERS






        Competition), college and university singers (Focus!   player. The vibes player retorted with one of those
        Professional Development Program), elementary and   life-changers: “Man, you’re s’posed to be thinking
        secondary school students (Onsite Schools Program),   about your LINE!” He was right... It changed every-
        and various other workshops and residencies on tour   thing!
        and at home. At the Vancouver Chamber Choir, I also   University was intimidating. There were “real” com-
        felt I was often teaching future teachers in our regular   posers around. I did take a choral arranging course at
        daily work, for many of those 140 singers have moved   Illinois one semester. We did some exercises and then
        on to become conductors and teachers themselves.    one real piece, where I think I put it all together for the

                                                            first time, though it wasn’t what you would call auspi-
        3) Young, aspiring composers sometimes fal-         cious. My instructor (Joe Flummerfelt) seemed to like
        ter as they work to develop their skills and es-    it, though, saying it had a structure, some direction, an

        tablish their reputation. What challenges did       effective climax, and a pleasing overall aspect. But I
        you face when you started composing?                tucked those comments away for a later date and con-
                                                            tinued avoiding any serious approach to composing,
        NICKEL: The challenge for many young composers      except for a few little pieces for my church choir.
        is that they have no support system: no one to relate    Some years later, I had one of those chance con-
        to; no one to evaluate what they are doing. I remem-  versations that can make such a difference. It was with

        ber writing music while wondering if my eff orts would   a working musician, a pianist-bassist-composer-teach-


        ever find a voice. My first choral compositions were   er type. We were standing out in front of the music
        really pathetic, yet a director at the college was kind   building on a chilly Vancouver day. It was about two or
        enough to include some of my music in his choir rep-  three years after I’d started my professional choir, and
        ertoire. I think most composers will agree that hearing hearing   we were beginning to build a good reputation. Out of
        a c hoir perf or m y our o wn m usic is both de v asta  the blue, he asked, “Do you compose?”
        a choir perform your own music is both devastating ting
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        and exhilarating and (more significantly) great motiva-a-  “Not really,” I replied.
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           I entered the International Baccalaureate program   “I guess I’m just not the composer type. I’ve never

        in India when I was thirteen years old. We didn’t have   had a natural fluency like some guys I know.” Him:
        a piano at home, so I “made up” my fi rst music on an   “Well, you’re missing the point. You don’t need to
        accordion. I didn’t think much of it at the time, but   compose because you’re good at it. You need to com-
        my mom and dad were avid singers, and we sang as a   pose because you’re not… It doesn’t matter whether
        family before every meal. Didn’t all families do that? It   the result is great or not… Think how much about
        had a huge impact, in retrospect.                   the inner life of music you’ll learn by doing it. It’d
                                                            help you to understand the composers whose music
        WASHBURN: When I was a high school kid, com-        you conduct all the time by approaching it the same
        posing didn’t seem important to me. I’d written some   way they did… the composer’s angle instead of the
        pop songs and some joke pieces (like that famous “Un-  performer’s.”
        started Symphony” with its pages of fi nal cadence).   I wonder if he ever knew how radically he turned
        But the discovery of jazz as I graduated from guitar to   my attitude around. After that, composing just seemed
        bass fired my creative energies. It was a while before I   like a natural part of my work, no matter whether the

        realized that improvising a bass line was composing of   pieces were good (a few) or bad (many). My confi dence
        a sort... inventing right on the spot. I vividly remember   really developed.

        a session sometime after the release of Miles Davis’s    After that, the main problem was finding time. The
        Kind of  Blue, when we were experimenting with modal   answer to that seemed to be having deadlines, so I
        things. I complained that playing for twenty minutes   created them by announcing new pieces in the VCC’s

        on just one chord was kind of stultifying for the bass   season’s brochures. Then I HAD to  find the time
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